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#38299 INVOICE & VAT

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Latest post by nicholas on Tuesday, 10 January 2023 06:54 CST

LilArt

Hi,

We have just renewed our subscription and paid it.
Usage of Paddle services is a mess!

- application of VAT whereas we are professionals with VAT number (FR75528850035) in France
- no invoice : obligation to request the invoice
- TVA : obligation to request the refund of TVA!

Also, elsewhere, we have met a problem with illegal auto renew of paiements with this "reseller".

A question : why do you use the services of this reseller?!!

Your precedent way to sell your services and products was good and better!

Thanks in advance,

Henri


LilArt

Following...

Here is the mail response of Paddle to our request of invoice and VAT:

"Hi Lilart,

Thanks for reaching out.

Paddle only provides support in English and we rely on system generated translations, we apologize for any misunderstandings during our email.

Paddle is a software reseller and we help software companies around the world sell their products.

I wasn't able to locate any matching transactions linked to your email address. If you can please provide additional information to help us locate the order you're referring to, we'd be more than happy to look into this matter for you. We need the following pieces of information:Β 

  • email address linked with the order or the last 4 digits of the credit card that was charged
  • the transaction amount
  • the date of purchase

Please follow this link toΒ chat with me, Kino. I'm a virtual assistant, available 24/7 to help you resolve this matter." !!!!

We have no time to"chat with a "virtual assistant" " to get invoice and VAT!!

Please make what it needed to solve with this reseller.

We wait before send a report to financial authorities in France and EU.

Thanks again in advance,

Henri

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nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager

If you provide your invoicing information during the transaction and you have a VIES-registered VAT number you are not charged VAT, you do not need to enter the invoicing information after the fact, you do not need to ask for a VAT return.

If you do provide your invoicing information at the transaction time you do get an invoice emailed to you immediately upon finishing the payment. If you do not provide invoicing information you are making a purchase as an individual and receive a receipt.

You DO NOT get automatic renewals / automatic payments. While Paddle also supports recurring subscriptions, we make it explicitly clear that our subscriptions are one year and DO NOT RENEW AUTOMATICALLY. Even when we had recurring subscriptions (July 2019 to September 2020) they were optional, clearly marked as such, and you'd have to opt into them.

So, to sum it up: your entire problem is that you didn't read the information on your screen, you didn't enter your invoicing information, and got charged VAT as an individual making a purchase (instead of as a company).

As to why we're using Paddle, there are two reasons.

1. In cases like yours where the transaction takes place as an individual making a purchase we were legally forbidden from converting the receipt to an invoice and give a VAT refund. You'd have to eat the VAT cost. Paddle gives you the option to convert the receipt to an invoice within 7 calendar days and request a VAT refund when you make a mistake at purchase time, like you did, since they operate out of the United Kingdom which has different tax laws than the Republic of Cyprus.

2. Starting July 1st, 2019 we are obliged to collect sales tax in ~50 jurisdictions around the world. If we had to do this ourselves we'd need to register a tax entity with each one of these jurisdiction with a cost of half a million Euros per year, many times over our annual profit. We'd have to either raise our prices to between 4000 and 5000 Euros a year, or close up shop. Paddle handles that for us because of economies of scale. They handle the transactions of hundreds of business, therefore these costs can be divided up between all of us, leading to a far more bearable per-transaction cost.

Finally, about your demented reaction to your own mistake: you want to report to the financial authorities that YOU did not provide YOUR OWN invoicing information when making a purchase, therefore the seller charged you VAT as per the EU VAT Directive? Sure. Go ahead.

Or, you know, you can provide the information requested by Paddle's automated system, it will automatically convert your receipt to an invoice, and give you a VAT refund DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MADE A MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡·Greek: native πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§English: excellent πŸ‡«πŸ‡·French: basic β€’ πŸ• My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager

Also note that you have received a FINAL WARNING on your user account. If you continue acting like an entitled idiot I will terminate your account without a refund. I do not have time for crazy people, nor do I care to have your kind as a client.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡·Greek: native πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§English: excellent πŸ‡«πŸ‡·French: basic β€’ πŸ• My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager

On second thought, I don't have time for crazy people like you. Your account is terminated, a refund has been issued, and you have been forever blacklisted from our business. Goodbye.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

πŸ‡¬πŸ‡·Greek: native πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§English: excellent πŸ‡«πŸ‡·French: basic β€’ πŸ• My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

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